Robert Kraft recently stated that he thought, with all due respect to Joe Montana, that Tom Brady might already be the greatest QB of all-time. In part, I agree with him, Tom Brady is better than Joe Montana. And it’s really not even close.
One of the common arguments on Denver Sports Chat has revolved around two guys, Manning and Brady. Arguing the merits of these two future HOF quarterbacks has been by far one of our most discussed subjects. And with the constant banter, I have found that some of my opinions have recently changed. I used to think without a doubt that Joe Montana was the best ever. That has changed.
One of the reasons I’ve started to change my opinion is due in large part to the Manning/Brady argument. See, J Simp argues that playoff accomplishments carry more value than regular season accomplishments and therefore, Brady is better than Manning. I on the other hand believe that both playoffs and regular season can carry the same value depending on the team, era, and individual accomplishments. The problem lies in the fact that both arguments create a conundrum.
This is because both opinions still place X amount of value on the playoffs and X amount of value on the regular season. Therefore, when I think of 4-0 Super Bowl champions like Montana and Bradshaw, I think of stellar playoff careers with 4 Super Bowls each. And when I imagine either without 4 Super Bowls, there are new questions. What accomplishments do either QBs bring to the best ever argument? Is Montana really that much better than Bradshaw when you consider just regular season stats? Would Montana be as good in Bradshaw’s era as he was in his own? (the rules and offensive styles were a lot different) Is Montana really that much better than, Elway, Marino, and Favre? It’s just not as clear to me anymore.
Thus, these questions have led me to ten reasons why I don’t think that Joe Montana is the greatest ever anymore.
#10. Terry Bradshaw:
So one of the main reasons Montana is considered the best ever is because of his 4 Super Bowl wins. The problem with this is that Terry Bradshaw is also 4-0 in Super Bowl appearances. So why the difference? Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers of the 70’s were regarded as a defensive team. In the 70’s defenses were what won championships. The rules were such that today’s type of spread offenses wouldn’t be as effective. Because a defender was able to abuse a receiver, a guy like Bradshaw wasn’t able to really show off his talent very much. I highly doubt that Montana would have had the success that Bradshaw had, had he played in the same era, under the same rules.
So what was more important, the Steel Curtain for Bradshaw, or the Walsh West Coast for Montana?
#9. The West Coast Offense:
Just because you’re one of the first guys to master a new style of offense doesn’t automatically mean you’re the best ever. Just think for a moment… What if Aaron Rodgers was the first guy to run that style of offense? How about Drew Brees? Or better yet, what if Bill Walsh had a guy like RG3 to run that offense in its infancy? I know this is speculation, but I find it hard to believe that any of these guys would have trouble running Bill Walsh’s offense in the 80’s. Can you imagine RG3 to Rice for 80 yards?
#8. Jerry Rice:
It doesn’t suck having this guy to throw to.
#7. John Elway:
John Elway had 5 Super Bowl appearances to Montana’s 4. Under Dan Reeves, John Elway would lose three Super Bowls with teams that shouldn’t have even been in the Super Bowl. Elway being the only reason they were in the big game. See, Reeves was schooled in the old way to run an NFL offense. Run Sammy Winder up the middle on first down. Run Sammy Winder around the right side on second down. Throw the ball on third a twelve. Therefore, Elway had only one down to show his stuff during the 80’s. Under Mike Shanahan and a Walsh inspired west coast style, John Elway went 50-18, including the playoffs, and won two Super Bowls. He finished his career with more wins, more Super Bowl appearances, more yards, more TD passes, and more comebacks than Joe Montana.
Does two more Super Bowls wins with Walsh, Seifert, Rice, Taylor, and Lott make Joe Montana a better QB than John Elway?
#6. Joe Montana’s career stats:
He is not ranked higher than 10th in any of the major career passing stats. I know that the rules have changed a lot over the years, but have you ever heard of any of Joe Montana’s records being broken? That’s because he hasn’t set any. Recently Johnny Unitas had his record of 47 consecutive games with a TD pass broken by Drew Brees. That is a record that stood for 52 years! Dan Marino’s record of 5084 yards passing stood for 27 years. I don’t think Montana has ever held a major passing record. If he did, it wasn’t for very long.
Can you name one record that Joe Montana owns?
#5. Brett Favre:
Uhh… He has every record in the record book when it comes to major career passing stats. He also has two Super Bowl appearances and one Super Bowl championship. He won one with a Bill Walsh pupil by the name of Mike Holmgren. Under a similar system to the one Montana was in, Favre tore up the record books! He also has one more playoff appearance than Joe Montana and he is simply one of the most durable players to ever play in the NFL.
So was Bill Walsh better than Mike Holmgren, or was Joe Montana better than Brett Favre?
#4. Bill Walsh:
The west coast style spread that Bill Walsh developed in the 70’s changed the NFL. He had the single biggest impact on offensive philosophy in NFL history. Before Walsh, most teams would run in order to establish the pass. With the West Coast the pass establishes the run. This is a staple in today’s NFL type spread offenses. The Walsh coaching tree includes guys like Holmgren, Seifert, and Shanahan. Three guys that all won Super Bowls.
So who made who? Did Walsh make Montana or did Montana make Walsh?
#3. Johnny Unitas:
You are really, really, really good if you set an NFL passing record that stands for 52 years. In addition, you can add to that fact that the passing game was much more difficult during the time you played. In addition to that, you are a two time NFL champion and a one time Super Bowl champion.
Montana vs Unitas is one that can be argued only as long as it takes to put all of the accomplishments of each player on the table. If the NFL championship had not been renamed the Super Bowl, the Vince Lombardi trophy would be named the Unitas trophy!
#1-2 Tie – Peyton Manning and Tom Brady:
This is real simple… When these guys are done with their careers one of them will be considered the best ever. The other will be considered the second best ever! They both already have more wins, yards, touchdowns, and completions than Montana. They both have broken incredible single season passing records. Brady has five Super Bowl appearances with three wins. Manning has only two Super Bowl appearances with one win but is the only 4 time NFL MVP. Brady was the fastest QB in history to win 100 games where as Manning is the fastest to throw 400 career touchdowns. Manning owns the record for most 4th quarter come backs whereas Brady has passed for over 5000 yards in a season. Manning has 11 seasons over 4000 yards passing whereas Brady has the most single season touchdowns with 50. For comparison, Montana never threw for 4000 yards in a season. And the most touchdowns he ever threw in single season was 31.
So tell me why Joe Montana is better than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? Is the only reason you can come up with 4 Super Bowls?
Final Thoughts:
I’m not saying that Joe Montana doesn’t belong in the top 5. But it is hard for me to say anymore that he is the best ever just because of 4 Super Bowl victories. Just take a look at what the quarterbacks of today are doing in similar pass first offenses. The record book is constantly being assaulted by the likes of Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Montana’s regular season stats just don’t support the best ever argument anymore. I hate to say it but Brady probably has the slight edge in the best ever argument right now. With that said, the 2012 NFL playoffs could totally change that assessment again. We will just have to sit back, enjoy, and watch NFL history as it unfolds.
Awesome!
By Robbie Dean
And one last note… In case you haven’t noticed, Drew Brees is re-writing the record book at a pace that is faster than any other QB in NFL history. This year alone he is already on pace to break his own single season passing record. More on that later…
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Donte
November 3, 2012 at 1:42 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Joe Montana’s career was a basic one, but because of his Super Bowl performance, a hyped up one. It’s the truth. He was never statistically better than anyone. In fact, the one good stat that he has is a) the only one Montana fans are capable of using, and b) not even all his. 4-0 in the Super Bowl. Granted that the Super Bowl is the highest ranked game in the NFL, he still has about 14 1/4 games in his career. You can never tell me that his 4 games are more valuable than the FULL career of Brady. If Brady does manage to win one more, than the conversation is officially over. 4-0 in the Super Bowl wouldn’t mean much, because Brady would have been at least 4-2, meaning he would have at least 2 more conference championship wins than Montana. And since they would both match in Super Bowls, the only other possible way to rank these two would be statistically, which…….. it’s not much hope for Joe.
mike
November 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
seriously……… first of all double standars much, how can you say that montana might not be better than bradshaw because of the era and then flip the coin and use brady’s regular season stat’s in another era as your justification
Secondly you can say whatever you want but the only stat that matters is your record in the superbowl. what…. you mean brady lost two……. to the same freakin team……. because he got outplayed by another current quarterback in eli manning…….
Third, no doubt the 9ers were awesome then but i’m pretty sure he took the chiefs to the championship too, and it’s not like they had a jerry rice on their team, or a walsh for that matter.
fourth, please put down the crack pipe
Larry Kraus
October 30, 2012 at 3:26 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
if Montana and Bradshaw could throw to receivers that were always open their stats would become very impressive over night. You talk about the rules in the 70′s and how Montana wouldn’t have as impressive of stats if he played then. Then you rave about the stats of Brady and Mannings stats? Montana and Bradshaw are the best ever. if i have to win one game i would look to Montata then Bradshaw then Brady then Roethlisberger. sorry Manning Your number 4 this is a no win argument anyway you cut it.
Headline
October 29, 2012 at 9:59 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
327 td passes – 247 ints
Dan
October 28, 2012 at 9:22 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Just one question without any excuses and just answer it….
How many touchdown passes and interceptions did John Elway have in his career counting all regular season and playoff games including super bowls?
Headline
October 26, 2012 at 9:55 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
That what I’m trying to say. The “Eye Test” is distorted because of the NFL rule changes in 1977-1978. Before 1980, Terry Bradshaw was considered one of the best QB’s of all time. Now he is not because the EYE TEST has been distorted with all of these huge passing numbers that came totally because of rule changes. These rule changes changed the way offenses choose to attack defenses, gave receivers more freedom, and gave QB’s 2 extra games to add to season totals. Remember Marino’s 5084 yards passing record, set in 1984, that stood for 27 years. You won’t remember it in ten years because of Drew Brees and another NFL rule change that distorts the EYE TEST yet again… The single season record was broke in 1978, 1979, 1980, and 1984. It stood till 2011. We will get to watch it be broke again multiple times over the next few years. Thus the EYE TEST will be distorted yet again.
Do some new research dude. The talking heads on the NFL network are not the end all be all of NFL expert opinion.. Do you lack vision of your own?
J Simp
October 26, 2012 at 9:03 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Headline, this is all I am gonna say before I leave this discussion…..The great QB’s in the history of the NFL have legacies. It involves a COMBINATION of things….Regular season success, playoff success, stats, longevity, memorable moments in big games, championships, etc……and maybe most importantly, the “Eye Test”. There are many reasons why almost all experts of the NFL do not even discuss Bradshaw when it comes to the 5 or so greatest QB’s ever. He had a great career and won 4 titles. But he simply does not belong in this discussion when EVERYTHING is considered. If you wanna talk about “systems” like you love to discuss, how many QB’s during the 70′s could have won 4 rings with those Steelers teams? In my opinion, plenty, and most fans who know anything about the NFL at that time would agree. Bradshaw rarely made exceptional plays that catapulted his team to titles. He was just pretty good, not great. Swann and Stallworth were a dynamic tandem that the league had really never seen as far as a receiving duo. Both are in the Hall of Fame. You bring up John Taylor and his stats, etc….why do you think he has never even been considered for the Hall? Because educated fans know, although he was a nice player who put up some nice stats at times, he was not a major difference maker on those 49ers teams. Yes, he caught the game winning TD against the Bengals, but you need much more to be thrown in the conversation with the likes of Swann and Stallworth. Again, it comes back to the fact you have to consider EVERYTHING. Swann and Stallworth had much bigger impacts on the game of the NFL by far, and that is why they are in Canton. The problem with almost all of your arguments about anything in sports, is that you only look at one or two aspects to determine how good a certain player is or was. If people only looked at Brett Favre’s total interceptions or Peyton Manning’s poor playoff record, these guys would not be revered like they are. You have to take everything into account, not just the numbers YOU want to bring up…….On that note, you really should be focusing on the one guy that has the best chance to be remembered as the best ever…..the guy wearing #12 up in Foxboro……
Headline
October 25, 2012 at 8:25 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
I get it Simp! Trust me… But lets use your logic for a second… You brought up Staubach and Tarkenton. Both represent the best of the best during the 70′s in regards to QB play. They both also made multiple Super Bowl appearances during the 70′s. All of Terry Bradshaw’s Super Bowls were also played in the 70′s.
So… you mentioned completion percentage, therefore, I’ll use that in my comparison. Here we go.. Stay with me now. I know it’s hard for you to look at things a little differently. So again, stay with me…
Playoff and Super Bowl stats..
Terry Bradshaw – 19 playoff games with a 57.2% completion ratio, 14 wins, 5 losses. 4-0 in the Super Bowl with a 112.80 passer rating. 3rd all time (SB) To give you an idea how good Bradshaw’s passer rating was in the Super Bowl, Tom Brady’s is 96.2.. 8th all time.
Roger Staubach – 19 playoff games with a 54.4% completion ratio, 12 wins, 7 losses. 2-2 in the Super Bowl with a 96.33 passes rating. 7th all time (SB)
Fran Tarkenton – 11 playoff games with a 51.0% completion ratio, 6 wins, 5 losses. 0-3 in the Super Bowl with a passer rating that’s not ranked.. But it was 67.9, 14.1, and 52.7 over the three Super Bowls he played in. So you get the point.
Bradshaw may not have been as good as the other two in the regular season, but he owned them in the playoffs!!! Stats, victories, Super Bowls, you name it!
Now, you’ve said over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, that playoffs and Super Bowls matter more than regular season stats. You’ve made this point continually in the Brady vs Manning argument that the monster regular season stats that Manning has do not out weigh Brady’s fantastic playoff record.
Well… Bradshaw owned the playoffs in the 70′s over guys like Tarkenton and Staubach even though he wasn’t the best passer in the league.
And…. Montana owned the playoffs in the 80′s over guys like Elway and Marino even though he wasn’t the the best passer in the league.
So what is it in the Montana vs Bradshaw argument… Playoffs or regular season stats???
In addition, the rules changed in 1978. The rules on what a defender could do to a receiver changed and the season went from 14 to 16 games..
The Mel Blount rule changed the average NFL completion percentage by almost 5% in 1978… Below is a paragraph from bloguin.com explaining the change.
“For my money, the two areas of striking growth are in completion percentage and yards per attempt. The two numbers go hand in hand. As quarterbacks complete more passes, obviously their average yards per attempt will increase because more passes are being caught and thus more yards are gained. YPA has grown almost a full yard from its low of 5.68 in 1976 to 6.58 last year (just off a high of 6.60 in 2006). Completion percentage has gone through the roof though. In 1970, quarterbacks were completing barely over half of their passes. Again, the key era here appears to be 1977-1980, where the completion rate went from 51.3% to 56.2%. Since then, the number has continued to grow, especially since the turn of the millennium. Since 2007, NFL quarterbacks have never been below 60% completion percentage in a given season…”
http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensunday/2011-articles/september/the-evolution-of-the-nfl-passing-game.html
So here is what I GET Simp! Bradshaw was every bit the dominate QB in his era, the 70′s, as Montana was in his era, the 80′s. They both had really good teams and coach’s to help them achieve what they did.. It is a very inaccurate assessment to use Bradshaw’s stats, as a reason to say that he does not deserve the same amount of credit, that is given to Montana, for leading his team to 4 Super Bowl championships. Especially since the rules were very different. The change in the passing game between the 70′s and 80′s is so obvious, that it’s time for more people to give credit, where credit is due. Either Joe Montana was not as good as we’ve been told or, Terry Bradshaw is much better than he is given credit for.
One last question Simp? Swan and Stallworth are in the HOF because they changed the way the WR position was played? ?? //#**…???? What??? Where did you come up with that???
And the Steelers of the 70′s and the 49ers of the 80′s are by far the two best dynasty’s in NFL history. The only difference is that Bill Walsh really influenced 8 Super Bowls and maybe more. Not just the 4 he coached in.
Paula
October 25, 2012 at 3:01 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Brady is better than Manning Brady has been to the Superbowl 5 times has 3 rings and many Broken Records only reason people making a fuss about Manning is cause who is Brother and father are There are many Q.B w/ 2 rings but he struggles to even make the play offs can’t even win 10 games in a yr
J Simp
October 25, 2012 at 2:02 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Headline….ever heard the phrase, “People that don’t get it, don’t get that they don’t get it”?…..That’s you…..Lynn Swann and John Stallworth are in the Hall of Fame because they were part of potentially the greatest dynasty in NFL history, and were a couple receivers who changed the way the WR position was played. Yes, Cris Carter, Tim Brown, and Andre Reed all belong in the Hall, and will all get in at some point, no doubt. I don’t have the answer to your “Blount” question, however Bob Griese (56.2), Fran Tarkenton (57.0), Roger Staubach (57.0), and Kenny Stabler (59.8) all had significantly higher career completion %’s than did Bradshaw did (51.9) during the same era. Bradshaw was good, not great. 212 TD’s vs 210 INT’s as well. It’s a clear argument and conclusion, however, you probably won’t “get it”.
jim quillen
October 25, 2012 at 1:15 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Brady is 3-2 and Manning is 1-1. Brady has appeared in more SB than Montana and will most likely win at least one more before ghes done. manning will probaly never even play in another SB
Dennis Carpenter
October 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
What is it with all of you 49er haters? What’s the point? Compairing quarterbacks from different great teams is always biased to your own personal opinion. I can only say that if my team was down and needed a quarterback to take over there was no one as good as Montana. From the 79 Oarnge Bowl to the 89 Super Bowl, no one, I MEAN NO ONE, did it better
to the Drive in the 89 Super Bowl
Mark Hatfield
October 25, 2012 at 10:59 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Steelegrave, those 49ers teams *did* revolutionize offensive football; but your assertion that it took everyone a decade to catch up is just wrong. You *couldn’t* just plug anyone in, as Walsh himself found out with ill-advised introductions of Steve Young when Montana was hurt or playing poorly….and before you go off, I remember Joe Gilliam on the Steelers being used exactly the same way. The West Coast verbiage, reads, “hot” reads, X and Z receiver route changes…..it all takes time and timing, especially for those all-important crossing patterns to have just the perfect timing for Yards After the Catch, which is practically a concept that Walsh perfected if not invented. You can catch (Hall of Famer) Young on television most any time explaining that it takes a certain mind and some time to learn the system. Witness Vick’s struggles with it. Joe Montana was not big, nor rocket-armed; he was just the right guy for it and learned it better than anyone else. System, by the way, does not earn you the Nickname Joe Cool, for his unflappable calm under pressure. Can’t teach that. And if The System was all there was, they would have owned the whole league….no ’85 Bears, no Redskins of the ’80′s (I believe the second-winningest franchise of the decade), no Giants (whom the Niners have *still* never beaten in an NFC Conference Championship Game), etc. There were some great, great seasons there – for some reason, the ’84 team that smashed Miami in the Super Bowl the year before that Chicago team seems to get undervalued – but no one collection of guys that dominated, like those Steelers. The linking threads were Walsh and Montana for 3 Super Bowl Seasons (Lonesome George for the 4th with Joe and the 5th with a mature and tested, NFL-MVP Young). You’re obviously not going to love Montana or give him his due; but writing him off as a “system” quarterback is cheesy. Too many haven’t been able to operate the system to be able to just say that. Elway never won a Super Bowl without one of the more special running backs of his time. Brady, Brees and Rodgers are still writing their stories. Bradshaw had Harris, Swan, and Stallworth, not to mention Noll. Hell, Joe went all sore-armed into the end of his career and made K.C. look O.K.
Special QB, man.
Headline
October 25, 2012 at 10:47 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Alright Simp… You are wrong!! And your lack of understanding when it comes to NFL history is laughable! Montana had the better wide-outs. It’s real simple.
John Stallworth – 537 receptions with 8723 yards
Lynn Swan – 336 receptions with 5462 yards
Jerry Rice – 1549 receptions with 22895 yards
John Taylor – 347 receptions with 5598 yards
Dwight Clark – 506 receptions with 6750 yards
So a couple of questions Simp… Both Clark and Taylor have better career stats than Swan. Why are they not in the HOF? Could it be that Swan doesn’t belong in the HOF? Better yet, why is Swan in the hall and not Chris Carter (1104 rec. 13899 yards) ???
And you still haven’t answered my Mel Blount question?
J Simp
October 25, 2012 at 8:17 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
John Taylor in the Hall of Fame? That is laughable….please, you lost all credibility now. He made a great play in the Super Bowl, yes, and he had a very nice career. But don’t insult my intelligence about him being in the HOF. The point was that Bradshaw had great talent to work with, and yes, so did Montana. Montana’s numbers are A LOT better, people. THERE ARE PLENTY OF REASONS Bradshaw is not brought up in conversations with Montana, other than the fact they both won 4 rings. Look at everything you guys, come on. And just stop with the Steve Bono stuff. He had a nice run, but you sound idiotic throwing him in the conversation with HOF’s Montana and Young. Can we stay on the facts, on not debate about speculation? Bradshaw had a hell of a career, but DOES NOT belong in the conversation with the elite’s of all time.
Steelegrave
October 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Um J Simp but we do know. Steve Young and Steve Bono both thrived in that system until the NFL caught up.
As for the Swan/Stallworth comment are you forgetting John Taylor who makes a spectacular catch to win Super Bowl 23?
2× Pro Bowl selection (1988, 1989)
2× All-Pro selection (1988, 1989)
3× Super Bowl champion (XXIII, XXIV, XXIX)
NFL 1980s All-Decade Team
And isn’t in the hall probably because of the cocaine stuff.
And I’m stupid?
Headline
October 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
That’s a good point steelegrave… Bono and Young could be the 11th reason!
Headline
October 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Simp, In regards to your comment about CAREER completion %… What was the average completion percentage in the NFL before the Mel Blount rule? What was it after?
J Simp
October 24, 2012 at 3:07 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
To all of you who talk about “the system”, please stop. There are plenty of great systems in the NFL, but these same teams who have these great systems do not have the talent to make it work very well. SPECULATING on what teams may have done without certain QB’s and instead with other QB’s is simply stupid. Nobody knows. Joe Montana is typically regarded as the best for a variety of reasons……He is 4-0 in the Super Bowl, like Bradshaw, but his stats are far batter than Terry’s. Terry Bradshaw was a “good” QB, not great, and arguably had the best talent in the history of the NFL surrounding him. THAT is why he is never brought up in talks of the greatest QB’s ever. His stats are mediocre and kinda poor actually in some regards. Bradshaw has a CAREER completion % of 51.9. Montana’s is 63.2. Bradshaw threw 212 TD’s and 210 INT’s. Montana threw 273 TD’s to just 139 INT’s…huge difference….and yes Montana had RIce to throw to, however Bradshaw had 2 Hall of Famers to throw to in Lynn Swann and John Stallworth, not to mention Hall of Famer Franco Harris to hand it off to. Joe Montana was absolute MONEY in the 4 Super Bowls…..one of the best big-game players in the history of sports…..here is an unbelievable fact about Montana…..in his 4 Super Bowls, he threw 11 TD’s and ZERO interceptions. ZERO! He simply is Joe Cool……..The only QB that may surpass him is Tom Brady when it’s all said and done…..maybe……
Steelegrave
October 24, 2012 at 2:15 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Touchy touchy 9ers fans.
Whenever anyone asked me “Who’s the best QB ever?” My knee-jerk response was always Joe Montana. Don’t know why, maybe because he’s placed there on every list. He made some amazing passes but it was often to Jerry Rice, the unarguably best receiver ever. I just never really thought about it.
One thing I look at is Steve Bono. In 91 Montana goes out with an elbow injury, Steve young comes in and preforms poorly leading the 9ers to 4-4, then he goes out with a knee injury. And in comes Steve Bono who led the team to 5 straight wins and beat out Young for the starting job when he got healthy. Then Bono goes down. If he doesn’t get hurt perhaps it’s Bono that wins the passing title 3 years and is MVP in ’92, ’93 and Super Bowl XXIX.
This tells me you could plug any QB into that system and still win 5 Superbowls. It revolutionized the game. Nobody was prepared for it and it took the NFL a decade to catch up.
So who’s the best ever now? I’m gonna go with Trent Dilfer. He has a ring.
@Vic what exactly did he do with, as you call them, the mediocre Chiefs? That Chiefs team was the best since 1970, and admittedly Montana was part of it. Of course I seem to recall a guy named Marcus allen on that team. And Derrick Tohomas, Neil Smith and Will Shields all All-pros. 93 was a nice playoff run coming out of the wild card, sure but lots of QBs have made nice playoff runs with no ring to show for it that aren’t remembered as the best ever.
Tom
October 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
and he beat both Elway and Marino in Super Bowls.
Tom
October 24, 2012 at 1:07 PM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
4 – 0 in Super Bowls whats Brady’s record ?, How about Manning’s ?
Vic
October 24, 2012 at 11:11 AM (UTC -6) Link to this comment
Give me a break!!!
Look what he did with the mediocre chiefs!!
Put the drink down and relax pal!!!